This question bothers me. Would you kill, if you knew that it was right? If one person was, or had intentions of harming others, would you pull the trigger? Would you beat the f*ck out of a carjacker? Would you shoot someone who broke into your home? Would you slam a perpatrator's head into the curb & break his worthless neck? Would you knock out the teeth of a man putting down his wife solely because he is afraid to let her up? What would you do? Who's side are you on?

This is always a tough question for me. I refuse to kill anyone, I'd rather fight. I think the only way I would have killed someone is if they hurt someone I really cared about (family and lovers) even so I don't think I would. Like I said I'd rather beat the f*ck out of someone than end their life just like that. It's not worth it anyways.

If someone put a gun to my head and was about to pull the trigger that would make them a b*tch in my eyes. Be half a man and fight me! Don't waste a bullet on someone that you probably don't even know.

Hope you understand where I'm going here.

Hell yeah. I have. I would again.

This is why I'm not Wiccan.

I might.

Here's my complex stance on this issue: it depends on the situation. If an intruder entered my home, the law is on my side and I'll shoot first, answer questions later. If in a public area (or some place relatively such), I would disable my opponent and get away as quickly as possible, unless they forced me into using lethal force to save my (or another's) life. I have no qualms ending a malicious life if they do not try to mend their ways.

At my job I've had to deal with a few criminals, nothing big time, petty theft, etc. Its been my experience that no matter how you may rehearse things in your mind, that when your in a given situation you react upon the circumstances at hand. You may know the best thing to do, but that doesn't mean you'll react the way you should or want to. Sometimes though, thats the best thing.

I really think that none of us want to think we are capable of such things. I think it really varies upon the situation.

If it involves protecting your family, of coarse its different. But as far as killing someone who is guilty of a crime, thats a whole other can of worms. I remember not that long ago seeing a story on CNN about a father who thought his daughter was sexually abused by his neighbor and he reacted quickly and killed the man. Turns out the man did not abuse her.

I can see how difficult and injust this world can seem at times. But taking the law into your hands would eventually just lead to anarchy and there again you have a whole other set of problems. Not that I'm completely against vigilantes either. But it just goes back again to the situation at hand.

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Originally posted by metal chick:
At my job I've had to deal with a few criminals, nothing big time, petty theft, etc. Its been my experience that no matter how you may rehearse things in your mind, that when your in a given situation you react upon the circumstances at hand. You may know the best thing to do, but that doesn't mean you'll react the way you should or want to. Sometimes though, thats the best thing.

I really think that none of us want to think we are capable of such things. I think it really varies upon the situation.

If it involves protecting your family, of coarse its different. But as far as killing someone who is guilty of a crime, thats a whole other can of worms. I remember not that long ago seeing a story on CNN about a father who thought his daughter was sexually abused by his neighbor and he reacted quickly and killed the man. Turns out the man did not abuse her.

I can see how difficult and injust this world can seem at times. But taking the law into your hands would eventually just lead to anarchy and there again you have a whole other set of problems. Not that I'm completely against vigilantes either. But it just goes back again to the situation at hand.

I smell a potential intelligent conversation! HUZZAH! It's been too long since one of these has been around.

Okay, into debate mode, here we go... is anarchy really such a bad thing? It could potentially make way to voluntary rule, rather than the veiled dictatorship that we have today. Granted, I'm sure others would attempt usurping power with as much strength as they can get their hands on, but I think if things gave way to anarchy one time, it would leave enough potential for it to happen again, with people rising up and destroying the oppression. As much as I believe in heading malevolence off at the pass, I give freedom more importance.

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Originally posted by Drake:

I smell a potential intelligent conversation! HUZZAH! It's been too long since one of these has been around.

Okay, into debate mode, here we go... is anarchy really such a bad thing? It could potentially make way to voluntary rule, rather than the veiled dictatorship that we have today. Granted, I'm sure others would attempt usurping power with as much strength as they can get their hands on, but I think if things gave way to anarchy one time, it would leave enough potential for it to happen again, with people rising up and destroying the oppression. As much as I believe in heading malevolence off at the pass, I give freedom more importance.[/QUOTE]

I'll have to think about this one... See the thing is I'm on this kick of being ticked off at society now (I mean the criminal elements of it) so I think that clouds my judgement.

I have two main problems with anarchy right now. First of all, with the crime, gangs, weapons, etc, it does not allow for an equal playing field. It would probably send us into a civil war and I'm not sure that would help us either.

Next, in my opinion, there are too many sheep in our country who just follow what they are told instead of what they personally think is right or wrong. I think you have a point, but I'm not sure how it would work in conjunction with what we stand for as a country now.

But technically, there is no absolute freedom right, so it would not necessarily need to be absolute anarchy either?

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Originally posted by metal chick:
I'll have to think about this one... See the thing is I'm on this kick of being ticked off at society now (I mean the criminal elements of it) so I think that clouds my judgement.

I have two main problems with anarchy right now. First of all, with the crime, gangs, weapons, etc, it does not allow for an equal playing field. It would probably send us into a civil war and I'm not sure that would help us either.

Next, in my opinion, there are too many sheep in our country who just follow what they are told instead of what they personally think is right or wrong. I think you have a point, but I'm not sure how it would work in conjunction with what we stand for as a country now.

But technically, there is no absolute freedom right, so it would not necessarily need to be absolute anarchy either?

Sure, there would be violence, but the human instinct to survive has been so dependant on medications and buying expensive big-screen TVs and diet foods and whatever other gizmo comes onto the market that no one tries to survive on sheer will anymore. The people who have retained that ability would survive the violence. They have strength. Everyone has the ability to be strong like that, but not everyone makes the choice. Anarchy forces people to make a choice: be strong or die. Anarchy is much worse than civil war, but in ways (in my opinion), it's better. On the one hand, you've got people that will be killing each other for petty things: food, territory, material objects and such. On the other hand, at least this violence is blatant, not like the behind-the-curtains passive aggressive crap politicians pull on the "masses" to control them. I believe in a form of absolute freedom that is everyone's right to have as living beings. Would things absolutely NEED to devolve to anarchy to make us free again? Perhaps not, but it is one of many ways.

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Originally posted by 2infinite1:
This question bothers me. Would you kill, if you knew that it was right? If one person was, or had intentions of harming others, would you pull the trigger? Would you beat the f*ck out of a carjacker? Would you shoot someone who broke into your home? Would you slam a perpatrator's head into the curb & break his worthless neck? Would you knock out the teeth of a man putting down his wife solely because he is afraid to let her up? What would you do? Who's side are you on?

If, God forbid, you would find yourself in a situation where you _actually_ have to make such a decision, you would have your answer right then and there. Anything else pretty much amounts to shaking the air in vain.

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Originally posted by Drake:
Sure, there would be violence, but the human instinct to survive has been so dependant on medications and buying expensive big-screen TVs and diet foods and whatever other gizmo comes onto the market that no one tries to survive on sheer will anymore.

Will? how about having the bigger and badder gun(s)?

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The people who have retained that ability would survive the violence.

Of course. And the necessity to raid the stores or what not to stay fed, warm, and generally alive. And the owners won't necessary be in the mood to share. How exciting.

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They have strength. Everyone has the ability to be strong like that, but not everyone makes the choice.

And nerves of steel too. Because hearing ongoing gunfire outside while your loved one is making it home is quite nerve-wrecking. Especially if it happens daily.

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Anarchy forces people to make a choice: be strong or die.

And liberates them to the point of turning into wild animals because there is no institution to which they would have to answer for their actions. That the majority can't look after themselves on their own, is a given.

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Anarchy is much worse than civil war, but in ways (in my opinion), it's better.

What, what? How do you sort them out if one inevitably brings about the other?

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On the one hand, you've got people that will be killing each other for petty things: food, territory, material objects and such. On the other hand, at least this violence is blatant, not like the behind-the-curtains passive aggressive crap politicians pull on the "masses" to control them. I believe in a form of absolute freedom that is everyone's right to have as living beings. Would things absolutely NEED to devolve to anarchy to make us free again? Perhaps not, but it is one of many ways.

One thing that you don't take into account is the necessity to become free inside. Those who thrive in anarchy are not those people. Those who rise to the top in democracy are not free either. Study history. No matter what it is out there, people keep building themselves ugly cages of various sorts and insist on staying there. And the masses will choose to be controlled anyway, anarchy or not. Theoretical anarchy accounts on those who can think for themselves and is able to figure out how live without politicians, real one deals with what's out there at the moment. And it's not what you are describing.

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Originally posted by CoffeeOwl:
Will? how about having the bigger and badder gun(s)?

The biggest baddest gun doesn't compare to the will to act.

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Originally posted by CoffeeOwl:
And nerves of steel too. Because hearing ongoing gunfire outside while your loved one is making it home is quite nerve-wrecking. Especially if it happens daily.

The strong would adapt.

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Originally posted by CoffeeOwl:
And liberates them to the point of turning into wild animals because there is no institution to which they would have to answer for their actions. That the majority can't look after themselves on their own, is a given.

What's so wrong about "wild animals"? At least they don't f*ck each other over for a damn percentage of profits. They fight to survive.

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Originally posted by CoffeeOwl:
What, what? How do you sort them out if one inevitably brings about the other?

Civil war can have allies, factions fighting amongst themselves. North, South, etc. Look at history and you'll know what I'm talking about. I don't see that as anarchy. I don't think the States have ever had true anarchy in its borders. I think that scares the politicians sh*tless.

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Originally posted by CoffeeOwl:
One thing that you don't take into account is the necessity to become free inside. Those who thrive in anarchy are not those people. Those who rise to the top in democracy are not free either. Study history. No matter what it is out there, people keep building themselves ugly cages of various sorts and insist on staying there. And the masses will choose to be controlled anyway, anarchy or not. Theoretical anarchy accounts on those who can think for themselves and is able to figure out how live without politicians, real one deals with what's out there at the moment. And it's not what you are describing.

Free inside, strength, same difference to me. Bottom line, people have been giving their freedom and strength away, living lives as hollow shells of their former selves. It's no way to live, and sometimes, you need a violent change to break the cycle.

yes, i could kill and not feel a damn bit of remorse. once someone has committed a crime against humanity, imo, they no longer deserve the right to live. i could easily kill someone who molests children so you can see how i wouldn't have a problem killing someone who killed an innocent. i could also kill an animal abuser cuz first, it's wrong and second, it leads to human abuse.

I am going to erect a giant Anarchy sign in my front yard for you guys. K? I love you guys, & you know it..

The fight for freedom starts within ourselves. We are stopped by fear, in many cases. Our hearts tell us not to harm another. & in that we forego the fight. If we had slammed down every act of cruelty as it happened, we wouldn't be in this state. All I wanna know is, given the chance, will you kill?

Fear stops us in many cases. Fear of the unknown. Fear of being alone. But after all, we are only but a single being. Only we decide where we go.

Fear stops us in many cases. Fear of telling Godsmack that they suck. It keeps us from being an angry mob & saying you can't just not be Godsmack! Now get your dumbass*s back in that f*cking band and play, d*mn it!

fear sux...

And if anybody wants to know, yes I will kill. I wouldn't suggest you enter my home unless you were invited. I make it my belated new years resolution to kill cruelty and wrong doing in any form. Just smack it down like a god!

fuk u gogsmack!

I'm not afraid to tell you that I don't like it!