Originally posted by sonofhorus: But how do you have a big bang with the first law of thermodynamics, you know the conservation of mass-energy, which states that energy can not be created nor destroyed, in which neither can mass.
Actually, the whol epage is damn good if you have time to read.
OffTopic: Heh I love Talkorigins, that website is an excellent antidote to the deluge of stupidity that will often pour from a creationist's mouth.
----------------------------------- Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works. [Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World]
Originally posted by Evil Angel: As far as god only ruling this sector of the universe.....interesting they don't mention the rest of the completely infinite space that's out there in the Bible, eh?
See, the texts from which the Bible originated were written in times when obsession with being in control of absolutely everything haven't kicked in yet. Local, partial was perfectly sufficient back then. The rest was probably overlooked during compilation.
Well that sure does explain a lot.
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Well learned a lot and will keep my mouth shut and just lurk around it for while.
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Well.... TC... first, they should give a good reason why they dont believe in God. This universe is full of paradoxes. Why? Because it was created by a mastermind... a mind that created the human mind..... i.e God.
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Originally posted by Evil Angel: Yes, there is a point there. But the main idea is still that god "rules all", which, "all" the way it seems to be described....is earth.
I believe it is somewhere in the Hebrews chapter about the Universe being created by the word of God, or God upholding the Universe by his power, or something like that. In other parts of the Bible, it's usually heaven and earth. And the possibility to leave the presence of God, like it happened to Cain. Now, if you leave the presence of God, clearly you go to some other place not created by him? Then who created THAT place?
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Originally posted by Viol3nt Corpse: Well.... TC... first, they should give a good reason why they don't believe in God.
Why?
quote:
This universe is full of paradoxes. Why? Because it was created by a mastermind... a mind that created the human mind..... i.e God.
As a former Atheist and now a Pagan, I can tell you that complexity of the Universe is one thing, and being created by a mastermind is something else entirely. The two are not connected for me at all. Why? Because the whole idea of keeping everything under control, engineering everything, having a plan for everybody makes no sense to me. I can't believe in something that makes no sense.
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A good reason: Why do I have to be a conformist? I don't believe that one dude could create EVOLUTION and everything else. *Pokes computer* And gave us brains to make this!
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Originally posted by TreXCrazy: A good reason: Why do I have to be a conformist? I don't believe that one dude could create EVOLUTION and everything else. *Pokes computer* And gave us brains to make this!
Then where did it come from?
This debate will continue for an eternity, as i've alread stated that... Mankind is too feeble to fully understand this universe. He can't compare to God.
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Originally posted by TreXCrazy: A good reason: Why do I have to be a conformist? I don't believe that one dude could create EVOLUTION and everything else. *Pokes computer* And gave us brains to make this!
Eh! Yes... i dont believe that one DUDE could create this world. But Only if God were a "dude" that would make sense.
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Originally posted by Viol3nt Corpse: Well.... TC... first, they should give a good reason why they don't believe in God.
Why?
quote:
This universe is full of paradoxes. Why? Because it was created by a mastermind... a mind that created the human mind..... i.e God.
As a former Atheist and now a Pagan, I can tell you that complexity of the Universe is one thing, and being created by a mastermind is something else entirely. The two are not connected for me at all. Why? Because the whole idea of keeping everything under control, engineering everything, having a plan for everybody makes no sense to me. I can't believe in something that makes no sense.
Well, God wouldn't change his rules just because they dont make sense to you.
And these paradoxes are only what they are for us humans. We are too blind to see it through. There is no such thing as "paradox" for God.
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