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True, it does. But they are to rules as commonly understood what General Public License is to "free". Or what "witch" in neo-paganism is to the Biblical interpretation of the word. ~~~~~~~ CoffeeOwl  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. ~ Author unknown ~ |
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| Posts: 4822 | Location: Outskirts of Silicon Valley, California | Registered: April 05, 2006 | |
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Misanthropic Luciferian Order? Not to knock anything, because I've never heard of it, but if I'm understanding the title correctly, it's a belief expressing a general hatred of humanity, and some form of Satanism? Closer to LaVey Satanism or Crowley Satanism, or not really comparable to either? I did some reading on Satanism once upon a time, but at the end of the day it didn't seem to hold any more answers than Christianity did.  They are not gone, they are not gone, they are only sleeping In graves, in ways, in clay, underneath the floor Building walls, overalls, getting bored, I got faulty wiring Brick it up now, brick it up now, but keep the bones |
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quote: thought this was going to be an interesting thread where the hell did Astaroth go? She's the one who started this thing.
"Just take me away from this hell I've created!"
I was wondering if anyone knows if Godsmack supports any specific religion, be it Christianity, Muslim, Paganism, Satanism, or some mix of all of them? I personally am a Christian. I like music and can appreciate talented musicians. Godsmack has talented musicians at all their instruments. But they are dark, kind of like some other bands play more light music. Plus I see all this Satanism stuff on the website it makes me wonder if all their fans are so negative!!!! Everyone should be happy that Christ died for our sins and even if you dont' believe that happened you should be OK with those of us that do, because we want to  . |
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Don't tell people how they should feel, and they will have no problem with you. What do you know about Satanism to associate it with negative and dark? ~~~~~~~ CoffeeOwl I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. ~ Author unknown ~ |
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| Posts: 4822 | Location: Outskirts of Silicon Valley, California | Registered: April 05, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Clint: [I was wondering if anyone knows if Godsmack supports any specific religion, be it Christianity, Muslim, Paganism, Satanism, or some mix of all of them? I personally am a Christian. I like music and can appreciate talented musicians. Godsmack has talented musicians at all their instruments. But they are dark, kind of like some other bands play more light music. Plus I see all this Satanism stuff on the website it makes me wonder if all their fans are so negative!!!! Everyone should be happy that Christ died for our sins and even if you dont' believe that happened you should be OK with those of us that do, because we want to .
Welcome to the boards  First of all, in whatever interviews etc I have seen the only talk of religion is about Sully being Wiccan. I have been a fan for years and been on the board for a few years too. That being said, I am a Christian,and I think I can fairly answer to this. All of their fans are not negative because they discuss different religions, actually on the contrary, many of us on the boards have constructive conversations and therefore a better understanding of each other. One of the reasons why I like Godsmack is they don't try to preach anything to us, whether it be religion, politics whatever. They believe in everyone's having a right to believe what they want. And truly, Godsmack is not a dark band. OK, there may be some animosity in some of their songs. But its rock for goodness sake. Its about getting stuff out of your system and moving on. If you say alot of music is "light" then I don't think its rock. I think you'll actually find that if you relax and listen to other people's views you may actually learn a few things. There are alot of great people on the boards.
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| Posts: 3208 | Location: South Carolina | Registered: April 05, 2006 | |
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Actually, I find this board to be very benefical to all of us. I know I was raised Christian and have an understanding of it, it's still wonderful to encounter those that I can have a meaningful conversation with about religion. Also, this board is kind enough to allow and encourage discussion on all religion. It allows all of us an equal opportunity chance to learn about others beliefs, and understand that just because it's not your religion doesn't make it "evil". I know that I'm a proud Pagan just like many others on this board. We also have wonderful, proud Christians, Atheists, agnostics, and so on. It means we can all learn, discuss, and grow in knowledge. How much better could it get? May the holidays roll over and die, I will now eternally be a bah humbug! No Christmas, no Thanksgiving, no Halloween, no Easter, may the holidays end forever! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listen to the song of the siren!  Free will to do what I want I don't remember wanting this Pain pills, I take what I want Who cares I no longer believe Still crying denying This muthaf*cka's controlling Still trying still searching For meaning impossible to find - Why? - Razed in Black |
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| Posts: 2470 | Location: Denver, CO | Registered: April 05, 2006 | |
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I was raised in a Babtist Church as my grandfather was a minister for one. I have been a Satanist for many years and it has been the best thing for me. I am the person I have always wanted to be.
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| Posts: 39 | Location: The edge of reason | Registered: September 19, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Vixin:
I was raised in a Babtist Church as my grandfather was a minister for one. I have been a Satanist for many years and it has been the best thing for me. I am the person I have always wanted to be.
Welcome to the boards! I was thinking that since the starter of this topic has gone MIA that maybe you'd be willing to tell us a bit more about Satanism, from your own point of view. As many have said, we are open to discussion of many if not all religions here, so please, tell us a bit more about it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The best things in life must be felt with the heart"~~Unknown "The question is not how far. The question
is do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith
to go as far as needed?"~~Il Duce (Billy Connolly) The Boondock Saints "Can't you see? You can't see tomorrow...... As long as you're looking back?"~~Gary Allan"Half the good things in my life came from half of my mistakes" ~~ Gary Allanhttp://www.myspace.com/va_2_flCHECK OUT MY NEW ART PAGE!!!!!!!!!http://www.myspace.com/graywolf_art_page
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| Posts: 11853 | Location: physically in FL, mentally elsewhere | Registered: November 27, 2006 | |
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Being a satanist is having the power to be who you are. There are no animal sacrafices. Which is the one myth that I hear often. We live our lives like everyone else. It's being able to have control of yourself. I control my destiny. I don't have time for people who tell me I'm wrong. Not only regarding religion but in all aspects of life. No one is wrong in the way they live life. It's just different. I never felt part of my church growing up. I don't belong to any organization. I read all of Anton LaVey's books. I read the Satanic Bible the most. I go online and talk to people. Just like anything, I am always learning and growing as a satanist and most importantly as a person.
I know I haven't answered alot of questions. If you have more, just ask?
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| Posts: 39 | Location: The edge of reason | Registered: September 19, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by CoffeeOwl:
Don't tell people how they should feel, and they will have no problem with you. What do you know about Satanism to associate it with negative and dark?
actually the irony of the matter is that satanism is not negative nor dark, actually its not really evil either. its all how you percieve it i guess. those who understand yin and yang will understand this because it is a similar concept: definitions of good and evil are not made with exact science, the meaning differs culture to culture. for example in much of christianity a being having horns upon its head symbolizes a demon or the devil, yet in pagan cultures it can symbolize a demon, but is most likely a ram or bull deity or entity. it doesnt matter how nor where you look, everything has conflicting forces within it. keep that topic as interesting as it may be in its own topic, but the "would you kill" topic pointed out an example of this, if you dont like to kill, let alone harm, anyone or anything, would you kill not to be killed? look at jainism and buddhism in their origin, the biggest differences where small enough but still divided the two religions. daoism (taoism) and confucianism are divided in the same main way that divides satanism and christianity, the values are different. its like polytheism vs. monotheism, many gods are seen as one divine or one divine seen as many gods, however you wish to put it. like in war, its side vs. side, nothing is truly the right nor wrong answer, nor the good nor evil side. Saddam may have been evil, but his soldiers were not, as they were forced to fight like every other soldier. ever hear of world war 1's christmas? the allied and central soldiers in some parts halted fighting to celebrate christmas, the reason the war continued was because not just germany and the central powers leaders, but allied leaders wanted war. this is true see ( www.history.com )history channel cuz i saw this on there to conclude its all about values and not good and evil.
Life, love, liberty, freedom, justice and equality for all......
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| Posts: 233 | Location: new york state, united states | Registered: December 15, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by sonofhorus: quote: Originally posted by CoffeeOwl:
Don't tell people how they should feel, and they will have no problem with you. What do you know about Satanism to associate it with negative and dark?
actually the irony of the matter is that satanism is not negative nor dark, actually its not really evil either. its all how you percieve it i guess. those who understand yin and yang will understand this because it is a similar concept: definitions of good and evil are not made with exact science, the meaning differs culture to culture. for example in much of christianity a being having horns upon its head symbolizes a demon or the devil, yet in pagan cultures it can symbolize a demon, but is most likely a ram or bull deity or entity. it doesnt matter how nor where you look, everything has conflicting forces within it. keep that topic as interesting as it may be in its own topic, but the "would you kill" topic pointed out an example of this, if you dont like to kill, let alone harm, anyone or anything, would you kill not to be killed? look at jainism and buddhism in their origin, the biggest differences where small enough but still divided the two religions. daoism (taoism) and confucianism are divided in the same main way that divides satanism and christianity, the values are different. its like polytheism vs. monotheism, many gods are seen as one divine or one divine seen as many gods, however you wish to put it. like in war, its side vs. side, nothing is truly the right nor wrong answer, nor the good nor evil side. Saddam may have been evil, but his soldiers were not, as they were forced to fight like every other soldier. ever hear of world war 1's christmas? the allied and central soldiers in some parts halted fighting to celebrate christmas, the reason the war continued was because not just germany and the central powers leaders, but allied leaders wanted war. this is true see ( www.history.com )history channel cuz i saw this on there to conclude its all about values and not good and evil.
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| Posts: 39 | Location: The edge of reason | Registered: September 19, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Vixin: quote: Originally posted by sonofhorus: quote: Originally posted by CoffeeOwl:
Don't tell people how they should feel, and they will have no problem with you. What do you know about Satanism to associate it with negative and dark?
actually the irony of the matter is that satanism is not negative nor dark, actually its not really evil either. its all how you percieve it i guess. those who understand yin and yang will understand this because it is a similar concept: definitions of good and evil are not made with exact science, the meaning differs culture to culture. for example in much of christianity a being having horns upon its head symbolizes a demon or the devil, yet in pagan cultures it can symbolize a demon, but is most likely a ram or bull deity or entity. it doesnt matter how nor where you look, everything has conflicting forces within it. keep that topic as interesting as it may be in its own topic, but the "would you kill" topic pointed out an example of this, if you dont like to kill, let alone harm, anyone or anything, would you kill not to be killed? look at jainism and buddhism in their origin, the biggest differences where small enough but still divided the two religions. daoism (taoism) and confucianism are divided in the same main way that divides satanism and christianity, the values are different. its like polytheism vs. monotheism, many gods are seen as one divine or one divine seen as many gods, however you wish to put it. like in war, its side vs. side, nothing is truly the right nor wrong answer, nor the good nor evil side. Saddam may have been evil, but his soldiers were not, as they were forced to fight like every other soldier. ever hear of world war 1's christmas? the allied and central soldiers in some parts halted fighting to celebrate christmas, the reason the war continued was because not just germany and the central powers leaders, but allied leaders wanted war. this is true see ( www.history.com )history channel cuz i saw this on there to conclude its all about values and not good and evil.
Well put. Nothing is ever black and white.
an undenieable fact of reality in deed
Life, love, liberty, freedom, justice and equality for all......
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| Posts: 233 | Location: new york state, united states | Registered: December 15, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by sonofhorus:
definitions of good and evil are not made with exact science, the meaning differs culture to culture.
Of course. They exist solely in people's heads and vary from one head to another, sometimes even within the same culture. quote:
for example in much of christianity a being having horns upon its head symbolizes a demon or the devil, yet in pagan cultures it can symbolize a demon, but is most likely a ram or bull deity or entity.
Or a deity that has to do with fertility and wealth in general. The problem is that Christianity was based on dogma, and the God of dogma never approved on any horned deity, so those are seen as evil by default. That makes life so much easier on the surface - just two colors to choose from, black and white, and when you are not sure where to draw a threshold there is always an authority who can help and advise. quote:
it doesnt matter how nor where you look, everything has conflicting forces within it. keep that topic as interesting as it may be in its own topic, but the "would you kill" topic pointed out an example of this, if you dont like to kill, let alone harm, anyone or anything, would you kill not to be killed? look at jainism and buddhism in their origin, the biggest differences where small enough but still divided the two religions. daoism (taoism) and confucianism are divided in the same main way that divides satanism and christianity, the values are different.
And all those differences and divisions are skin-deep. Most of them come to the form. One favors the idea of all-knowing and all-powerful sky God, another is pretty happy with a forest-dwelling horned God who does not care about knowing it all. Some say it's ok to kill under a wider range of circumstances, others can count such circumstances by fingers of one hand and still have spare fingers. For example, in Jataka Tales that are are a part of Buddhist Pali Canon, we can read about Bodhisattva who killed to save another person's life. The Bodhisattva paid for that, he could not attain enlightment during that life of his, but the deed itself is not pictured as a no-no. And so forth, and so on. But if you look past the different rules and views, there are more than enough similarities between different paths for people to stop crying evil over petty issues and cry evil just because someone prefers to see the same matters in a different way. quote:
to conclude its all about values and not good and evil.
Say... Christianity teaches that you should respect fellow human beings and take their needs and wants into consideration. Satanism (at least the LaVeyan flavor of it) states that you don't start trouble until provoked, don't bother others just for the heck of it, and again, respect others until they proved themselves to be undeserving of any respect. So what if those two paths have different underlying motifs and won't agree on a concept of the higher power and its relation to humans? The value (acceptable or desirable behavior) stays the same, no? ~~~~~~~ CoffeeOwl I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. ~ Author unknown ~ |
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quote: Originally posted by CoffeeOwl: quote: Originally posted by sonofhorus:
definitions of good and evil are not made with exact science, the meaning differs culture to culture.
Of course. They exist solely in people's heads and vary from one head to another, sometimes even within the same culture. quote:
for example in much of christianity a being having horns upon its head symbolizes a demon or the devil, yet in pagan cultures it can symbolize a demon, but is most likely a ram or bull deity or entity.
Or a deity that has to do with fertility and wealth in general. The problem is that Christianity was based on dogma, and the God of dogma never approved on any horned deity, so those are seen as evil by default. That makes life so much easier on the surface - just two colors to choose from, black and white, and when you are not sure where to draw a threshold there is always an authority who can help and advise. quote:
it doesnt matter how nor where you look, everything has conflicting forces within it. keep that topic as interesting as it may be in its own topic, but the "would you kill" topic pointed out an example of this, if you dont like to kill, let alone harm, anyone or anything, would you kill not to be killed? look at jainism and buddhism in their origin, the biggest differences where small enough but still divided the two religions. daoism (taoism) and confucianism are divided in the same main way that divides satanism and christianity, the values are different.
And all those differences and divisions are skin-deep. Most of them come to the form. One favors the idea of all-knowing and all-powerful sky God, another is pretty happy with a forest-dwelling horned God who does not care about knowing it all. Some say it's ok to kill under a wider range of circumstances, others can count such circumstances by fingers of one hand and still have spare fingers. For example, in Jataka Tales that are are a part of Buddhist Pali Canon, we can read about Bodhisattva who killed to save another person's life. The Bodhisattva paid for that, he could not attain enlightment during that life of his, but the deed itself is not pictured as a no-no. And so forth, and so on. But if you look past the different rules and views, there are more than enough similarities between different paths for people to stop crying evil over petty issues and cry evil just because someone prefers to see the same matters in a different way. quote:
to conclude its all about values and not good and evil.
Say... Christianity teaches that you should respect fellow human beings and take their needs and wants into consideration. Satanism (at least the LaVeyan flavor of it) states that you don't start trouble until provoked, don't bother others just for the heck of it, and again, respect others until they proved themselves to be undeserving of any respect. So what if those two paths have different underlying motifs and won't agree on a concept of the higher power and its relation to humans? The value (acceptable or desirable behavior) stays the same, no?
very true. its like the only reason im not a monotheist is because i see the divine as many. this is a very true saying: religion is in the eye of the beholder
Life, love, liberty, freedom, justice and equality for all......
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