I can't tell if the host for republicansforrape.org is being satirical like George Carlin or if he deserves to be castrated before painfully sodomized by a bull. Furthermore, I'm betting that Republicans who vote against this bill are probably trying to cover up their unethical business practices with substandard companies. This is the same kind of sh*t that was pulled with the pedophile priests in Boston. Goddamn, these Republicans are dirty, filthy degenerate motherf*ckers...
Disclaimer: Before you all start attacking me on "Jesus, he's not attacking Republicans, is he?" YES HE IS! And this is Mr. Conducter talking. I know what I'm talking about. No, I don't mean all Republicans everywhere; I know there are a few I can have an intelligent conversation with. I'm not going to go Hitler on Republicans. Even old Germans are going, "Stop. Slowly. You don't rush right into extermination. You have to build up to it. You burn a few books, and THEN-" No, I'm talking about these shady, preachy Pro-Life, Pro-"Freedom", "Patriotic" Republicans who want to spin you around so that you can't see how badly they're f*cking you in the ass when it comes to stealing your money, spending it in all sorts of ways, and then don't want to take ANY, and I mean ANY, responsibility for how this country's turning out. If we took even HALF of the money that this upper one percent have hoarded away, the money that Obama wants to spend wouldn't even skim the goddamn surface. People would have jobs, and this recession would be over and done with, believe-you-me. True story.
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This is another fine example of whats wrong with politics. My guess is if we actually read the bill there is more to the story. Many times politicians on both sides either vote or do not vote on certain bills because of reasons other than what the issues are.
Gotta admit, this is just disgusting. I do not see how anyone can defend voting against this bill.
Politics is just a bunch of BS on both sides. This is why we need politicians working for the people instead of us working for them.
Sadly nothing in politics seems to surprise me anymore. That's why I stopped watching the news.
Originally posted by Drake: If we took even HALF of the money that this upper one percent have hoarded away, the money that Obama wants to spend wouldn't even skim the goddamn surface. People would have jobs, and this recession would be over and done with, believe-you-me. True story.
I am glad you are so in favor of simply taking things. Next time someone takes your wallet or steals something from you, remember what you just said.
There is no means of taxation or budgeting that can even begin to amount to how much money Obama just "Spent" and that is the true story.
As for this rape thing, I don't know anything about it. It does seem pretty damn shady at the forefront, but I am certain that this is just normal political shadiness and not some plan to bring rape to the accepting social circle.
When did "rape" get off the censored word list (not that I'm complaining)? Remember back in the day when we couldn't even spell "grape" because it starred out "rape"? Ahhhh... good times. Drake will remember those days.
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Originally posted by -GhOst-: I am glad you are so in favor of simply taking things. Next time someone takes your wallet or steals something from you, remember what you just said.
I think you're taking what I said to an extreme. Despite the fact that the conservative wealthy Republicans have probably got their money legally, albiet shadily, I am not in favor of just TAKING it from them. People need to work for a living, even the government. However, I am all in favor of taxing the upper one percent more than they are being taxed, and outlawing putting money in offshore bank accounts so that they can evade the tax system. That will turn around this crappy economy pretty damn quickly.
Furthermore, we're going to need to spend money in order to implement programs like Obama wants to turn this country around. Do you know why we still have a huge problem with homeless people in America? Because there's no money in fixing that problem. It would all just be spent money, and I know the majority of people don't want to spend money to help America, but that's the only way we're going to get rid of the problem. You show a conservative how they can steal a couple million while helping the homeless, you'd see the streets of America clear out pretty goddamn quick.
On a related note, in general, America does not have its economic sh*t together. Take a look at churches: they rake in billions of dollars a year and pay ZERO taxes, in any way, shape or form. You could balance the budget and clear out the recession if you just taxed them on their real estate holdings. But no, conservative Republicans will tell you, "You're infringing on our freedom of religion!" Not if we make every place of worship do it, and some of them do, because they're not recognized by the government. I think there's something seriously wrong with America, if "all men are created equal" and yet some get taxed based on a difference in belief.
This oculd seem like it makes my other statement contradictory. So Matt, why should richer people be taxed more because they're more successful? To even out the scales. Yes, we're all equal, so let's stop things like this recession and the Great Depression from ever happening again. Let's implement programs that the rich CAN PAY FOR and keep America's economy afloat, the rest of us gainfully employed and maybe stimulate the competition amongst us, as a nation, into creating an industry that does more than make decent soldiers. You can't buy a TV or a car worth a f*ck that's made by Americans; they're all being imported from Japan and Europe. The poor don't choose thier class bracket oftentimes; they're born into it, and then they're institutionalized into thinking that they're never going to get the help they need to get out of the holes they're in.
Now that I've written a novel and a half, I open this to a rebuttel. Anyone?
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Originally posted by Drake: People need to work for a living, even the government. However, I am all in favor of taxing the upper one percent more than they are being taxed, and outlawing putting money in offshore bank accounts so that they can evade the tax system. That will turn around this crappy economy pretty damn quickly.
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Ok, I'll take the bait. First of all, those who are in that tax bracket are being taxed heavily. And we are still in the mess we are in. The taxes they take will not go into worthy programs. Thats the problem with the tax system now. It does not work the way it was intended.
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Furthermore, we're going to need to spend money in order to implement programs like Obama wants to turn this country around. Do you know why we still have a huge problem with homeless people in America? Because there's no money in fixing that problem. It would all just be spent money, and I know the majority of people don't want to spend money to help America, but that's the only way we're going to get rid of the problem. You show a conservative how they can steal a couple million while helping the homeless, you'd see the streets of America clear out pretty goddamn quick.
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As far as Obama's plans right now, the government keeps putting out programs to give tax "rebates" for people to go out and spend more money. This will only temporarily increase spending, but increase debt more which is part of what got us in this mess. Democrats are just as money hungry as conservatives. And truly neither party stands for what it used to anyways.
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On a related note, in general, America does not have its economic sh*t together. Take a look at churches: they rake in billions of dollars a year and pay ZERO taxes, in any way, shape or form. You could balance the budget and clear out the recession if you just taxed them on their real estate holdings. But no, conservative Republicans will tell you, "You're infringing on our freedom of religion!" Not if we make every place of worship do it, and some of them do, because they're not recognized by the government. I think there's something seriously wrong with America, if "all men are created equal" and yet some get taxed based on a difference in belief.
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We could argue all night about this one. But the truth is that some churches do help the poor (and especially the homeless). While I am sure that we disagree on the religious view points, thats kind of beside the point. There are plenty of churches that I believe may fit into this category, but its too general to say churches do no good. I think statistically that is wrong. One difference between these so called churches your refering to and politicians is they put on different name on their cause in the name of profit.
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This oculd seem like it makes my other statement contradictory. So Matt, why should richer people be taxed more because they're more successful? To even out the scales. Yes, we're all equal, so let's stop things like this recession and the Great Depression from ever happening again. Let's implement programs that the rich CAN PAY FOR and keep America's economy afloat, the rest of us gainfully employed and maybe stimulate the competition amongst us, as a nation, into creating an industry that does more than make decent soldiers.
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Taxing the rich corporations will not keep people employed and cause job growth. Unfortunately it is the rich that give paychecks to us others. The problem is our tax system does not work at all. Look at all of the people who get tax breaks, or for that matter, who are not paying taxes.
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You can't buy a TV or a car worth a f*ck that's made by Americans; they're all being imported from Japan and Europe. The poor don't choose thier class bracket oftentimes; they're born into it, and then they're institutionalized into thinking that they're never going to get the help they need to get out of the holes they're in.
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Absolutely. This is exactly why I believe our government should encourage Americans to buy American products instead of encouraging programs that support more money to foreign products.
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Now that I've written a novel and a half, I open this to a rebuttel. Anyone?
The government as a whole continues to make this an issue of democrat, republican, liberal, conservative. This is about more than that. Turning people against each other only continues to mask the fact that our government is not in the business of helping its people, its about profit, no matter party affiliation. What makes us great is our right to our different beliefs. Unfortunately its the weapon the government uses the most against us from seeing the truth.
Originally posted by metal chick: The government as a whole continues to make this an issue of democrat, republican, liberal, conservative. This is about more than that. Turning people against each other only continues to mask the fact that our government is not in the business of helping its people, its about profit, no matter party affiliation. What makes us great is our right to our different beliefs. Unfortunately its the weapon the government uses the most against us from seeing the truth.
Yeah, their weapons of mass distraction.
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I am sorry if I repeat anything Metal Chick has said. I don't really like to be redundant, it's just easier sometimes.
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Originally posted by Drake: Yeah, Bam; I remember that. Good times.
Hell yes! Gotta love grape!
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Originally posted by Drake: People need to work for a living, even the government. However, I am all in favor of taxing the upper one percent more than they are being taxed, and outlawing putting money in offshore bank accounts so that they can evade the tax system. That will turn around this crappy economy pretty damn quickly.
I wish the government actually did do work. Government programs are all a joke. Look at NASA for example, they are so bureaucratic now that they have no hope of getting anything big accomplished, and they got to that point of nothingness using thousands of percents more money that private corporation who can do much the same.
At what point would you say that it is all right to stop increasing taxes on the suppose class? During the great depression tax rates reached 94% on anyone making over $200,000. That is disgusting. And why on earth would we outlaw putting money into an offshore bank account? The government is not transparent, and they are indeed out to take advantage of us, why not protect ourselves?
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Originally posted by Drake: Furthermore, we're going to need to spend money in order to implement programs like Obama wants to turn this country around. Do you know why we still have a huge problem with homeless people in America? Because there's no money in fixing that problem.
What makes you think that more government run programs and control are going to fix anything? Has any government program ever worked without causing 10 more (and potentially worse) problems in another sector? Why put the government (who has shown time and time again that they are incapable of budgeting or managing themselves) in charge of all of our assets?
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Originally posted by Drake: You show a conservative how they can steal a couple million while helping the homeless, you'd see the streets of America clear out pretty goddamn quick.
You show anyone how to get a couple million without doing anything and you will find that a lot of people want to do it. This is why so many fast money schemes work, and why the Loto exists.
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Originally posted by Drake: Take a look at churches: they rake in billions of dollars a year and pay ZERO taxes, in any way, shape or form. You could balance the budget and clear out the recession if you just taxed them on their real estate holdings.
Separation of church and state. Works both ways. You can not have your cake and eat it too. If you want to tax churches you had better damn well let teachers lead prayer in public schools, you had better respect "One nation under god," and you had better let people keep copies of the ten commandments in court houses and capital buildings.
I certainly hope you can see the problems that arise from direct destruction of the concept of separation of Church and State.
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Originally posted by Drake: Let's implement programs that the rich CAN PAY FOR and keep America's economy afloat, the rest of us gainfully employed and maybe stimulate the competition amongst us, as a nation, into creating an industry that does more than make decent soldiers.
The rich are already keeping our economy afloat. The problem is, the government is keeping them down. The “rich “ as defined by the tax officials, are the ones who create almost all our jobs and the ones who run our economy. To add more governmental bull will just keep knocking our economy down even further. Not to be cliché, but do read Atlas Shrugged and then tell me if you still view the “rich” as being greedy ignorant pricks who need to be put on a government leash.
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Originally posted by Drake: You can't buy a TV or a car worth a f*ck that's made by Americans; they're all being imported from Japan and Europe. The poor don't choose thier class bracket oftentimes; they're born into it, and then they're institutionalized into thinking that they're never going to get the help they need to get out of the holes they're in.
They are being important, in many cases, for the same reason our jobs are being exported. Because businesses cannot operate when they are being regulated more and more by government crap. When they have to pay extra tax on every item they make, and then pay more money for less work because of unions, they soon go from booming business that grows, expands, and makes good American products, down to flat broke and sucked dry by government taxation and mandates.
If you want to see America fail, and fail damn fast, then just implement these taxes and regulation on the rich. I can guarantee an economic disaster that our country will never recover from during this era.
As for just handing out money to the poor, not to be an elitist or anything, but I think in many cases a lot of that money is going to go straight into the pockets of the drug lords. Hey, here is an idea, why don’t we tax the drug lords?!
Originally posted by ZombieApocalypse: Why can't you people just talk about rape like normal folk?
Because a convenient target was chosen, and it's partisan war from this point on. Never mind that the Democratic administration was against the amendment too. The Department of Defense urged the Senate to vote no, claiming that contractors have no means to know what is in their subcontractors' contracts, that enforcing the amendment would be problematic. Pretty much the same absurd stuff that Republicans said, no? But who cares when there is another opportunity to jab at Republicans.
BTW, all that Al Franken's amendment does is it stops funding companies that prohibit their employees from bringing rape/assault/whatever cases to the court. Those companies can still ask prospective employees to sign a mandatory arbitration agreement and just tell the Pentagon that it is not a condition of employment if it is made voluntary or only is a part of non-government contracts. Not much gain for the victims, and not at all what media make out of the whole story.
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Originally posted by -GhOst-: Has any government program ever worked without causing 10 more (and potentially worse) problems in another sector? Why put the government (who has shown time and time again that they are incapable of budgeting or managing themselves) in charge of all of our assets?
Really. Why not try free market again instead. History must be choke full of examples when it worked miracles for the good of common folks. You forget that it's the same fallible people on all levels of the society, that the government is not a bunch of aliens, and that keeping them out of everything will merely enables others of the same kind to stuff their own pockets with money.
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Separation of church and state. Works both ways. You can not have your cake and eat it too. If you want to tax churches you had better damn well let teachers lead prayer in public schools, you had better respect "One nation under god," and you had better let people keep copies of the ten commandments in court houses and capital buildings.
Faulty logic. One thing does not lead to another. For a regular non-profit in order to be tax exempt, it is mandatory to prove that they work for a good cause, to declare what and how they do, and who exactly benefits from their actions. For a recognized church, none of that is needed. It is tax exempt by the mere fact of its existence. It is allowed to keep the money that anyone else would be giving to the government, and you are talking about separation between state and church.
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Originally posted by Drake: The rich are already keeping our economy afloat. The problem is, the government is keeping them down. The “rich “ as defined by the tax officials, are the ones who create almost all our jobs and the ones who run our economy. To add more governmental bull will just keep knocking our economy down even further. Not to be cliché, but do read Atlas Shrugged and then tell me if you still view the “rich” as being greedy ignorant pricks who need to be put on a government leash.
The rich are moving their business expenses abroad: labor, customer service, brains - everything. The rich leave their own fellow citizens with less and less means to find the job or to pay adequately for the job done. The rich rape their own country, hard. They are supposed to be a backbone of the economy, providers of jobs, and all that good stuff, but they are as dysfunctional and greedy as the government.
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Originally posted by Drake: They are being important, in many cases, for the same reason our jobs are being exported. Because businesses cannot operate when they are being regulated more and more by government crap. When they have to pay extra tax on every item they make, and then pay more money for less work because of unions, they soon go from booming business that grows, expands, and makes good American products, down to flat broke and sucked dry by government taxation and mandates.
Very touching. Poor corporations suffocating under taxes and regulations. I am about to weep. GhOst, corporate profits are public data. It does not support what you say. What happens is a result of greed and shortsightedness for the most part.
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Originally posted by Bam: When did "rape" get off the censored word list (not that I'm complaining)? Remember back in the day when we couldn't even spell "grape" because it starred out "rape"? Ahhhh... good times. Drake will remember those days.
I remember the days when grape was g****! It made grape look like you meant to say a dirty word or something. It was hilarious.
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Originally posted by -GhOst-: Has any government program ever worked without causing 10 more (and potentially worse) problems in another sector? Why put the government (who has shown time and time again that they are incapable of budgeting or managing themselves) in charge of all of our assets?
Really. Why not try free market again instead. History must be choke full of examples when it worked miracles for the good of common folks. You forget that it's the same fallible people on all levels of the society, that the government is not a bunch of aliens, and that keeping them out of everything will merely enables others of the same kind to stuff their own pockets with money.
****Mystere: Because a lot of people who now feel like it's important to say "I believe in Capitalism" often feel as if someday they will get into that tax bracket and they find it easier to sypathize with the wealthy they would like to be than to empathize with the less fortunate whom the Reps often ignore because they feel like they are less fortunate because they deserve to be "ignorant, lazy, mooching at the public teat" you've heard them all I'm sure. While they fail to realize that the creation of the type of weath for the 1% at the top REQUIRES a massive amount of poor, desperate folks who are willing to take whatever they can get in this world.
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Separation of church and state. Works both ways. You can not have your cake and eat it too. If you want to tax churches you had better damn well let teachers lead prayer in public schools, you had better respect "One nation under god," and you had better let people keep copies of the ten commandments in court houses and capital buildings.
Faulty logic. One thing does not lead to another. For a regular non-profit in order to be tax exempt, it is mandatory to prove that they work for a good cause, to declare what and how they do, and who exactly benefits from their actions. For a recognized church, none of that is needed. It is tax exempt by the mere fact of its existence. It is allowed to keep the money that anyone else would be giving to the government, and you are talking about separation between state and church.
****Mystere: I agree with the faulty logic call, but I think it's more the "weak analogy" fallacy rather than the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. One thing does not lead to the other because they are unrelated. Taxation and prayer in school are separate issues entirely. How would most folks feel if the prayer the teach chose to lead the class in each day was some chicken-sacrificing Santaria ritual?
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Originally posted by Drake: The rich are already keeping our economy afloat. The problem is, the government is keeping them down. The “rich “ as defined by the tax officials, are the ones who create almost all our jobs and the ones who run our economy. To add more governmental bull will just keep knocking our economy down even further. Not to be cliché, but do read Atlas Shrugged and then tell me if you still view the “rich” as being greedy ignorant pricks who need to be put on a government leash.
The rich are moving their business expenses abroad: labor, customer service, brains - everything. The rich leave their own fellow citizens with less and less means to find the job or to pay adequately for the job done. The rich rape their own country, hard. They are supposed to be a backbone of the economy, providers of jobs, and all that good stuff, but they are as dysfunctional and greedy as the government.
****Mystere: Don't know if the laws have changed, but the deal with the offshore companies was that a company that houses a headquarters in the US may open a PO Box in the Cayman Islands and simply call that the headquarters and not owe the same amount of taxes to the US government because they were no longer a US company, though nothing about the company had changed but the addition of the "PO Box" that gets the headquarters label. Am I wrong there?
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Originally posted by Drake: They are being important, in many cases, for the same reason our jobs are being exported. Because businesses cannot operate when they are being regulated more and more by government crap. When they have to pay extra tax on every item they make, and then pay more money for less work because of unions, they soon go from booming business that grows, expands, and makes good American products, down to flat broke and sucked dry by government taxation and mandates.
Very touching. Poor corporations suffocating under taxes and regulations. I am about to weep. GhOst, corporate profits are public data. It does not support what you say. What happens is a result of greed and shortsightedness for the most part.
****Mystere: Drake is missing the fact that a large number of those jobs "being shipped overseas" are US companies that did business with a certain smiley-faced Megalomart and Megalomart soon became over 50% of their business, then Megalowmart said you gotta sell to us cheaper or we'll go somewhere else for your type of product, hell we can build a plant in China to make nearly the same thing for way lower than your company is selling to us, until finally the company cannot turn a profit on the price that they're being strong-armed into dropping to, so the fine folks at Megalomart explain to them (the execs) that they can continue raking it in by moving their plant to China and firing their American workers. Megalomart is far from alone in this practice. There have been several PBS specials including two Frontlines on this very practice. You wanna keep American jobs in America, stop buying Chinese.
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Originally posted by ZombieApocalypse: Why can't you people just talk about rape like normal folk?
Because a convenient target was chosen, and it's partisan war from this point on. Never mind that the Democratic administration was against the amendment too. The Department of Defense urged the Senate to vote no, claiming that contractors have no means to know what is in their subcontractors' contracts, that enforcing the amendment would be problematic. Pretty much the same absurd stuff that Republicans said, no? But who cares when there is another opportunity to jab at Republicans.
The Democratic administration? The DoD is headed by Robert Gates. Republican.
Difficulty of enforcement is a lousy excuse, especially when the problem is women being raped by their coworkers, who are then protected by the corporation that negligently hired those guys, and put them all into a situation that nearly guarantees that outcome.
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BTW, all that Al Franken's amendment does is it stops funding companies that prohibit their employees from bringing rape/assault/whatever cases to the court. Those companies can still ask prospective employees to sign a mandatory arbitration agreement and just tell the Pentagon that it is not a condition of employment if it is made voluntary or only is a part of non-government contracts. Not much gain for the victims, and not at all what media make out of the whole story.
So, since the corporations might still be able to subvert existing laws and basic human rights, we shouldn't bother with trying to do something about it?
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